Weight is just as relevant to 'fashion' as the clothes themselves are relevant to fashion. We, as humans, all are voyeurs. We like the ways things look, and we like to look at them. This is why art exists in all it's different forms: painting, photography, film, fashion, sculpting, etc.
We like to look at beautiful people especially, and our cultures are obsessed with appearance. For some people, it's a dangerous thing which can lead to an eating disorder, but for some it's not such a bad thing. I like to go to the Weight thread, because it fufils some of my curiousity about people that are smaller (or bigger) than me. I, and I'm sure a lot more people, look at the thread because of this reason. I've never suffered from an eating disorder, but I know the health benefits of being a smaller, healthier size (lower risk for heart problems, just to name one), and sometimes it's good for me to read how other healthy people have lowered or maintained their weight. Reading about super skinny models hasn't made me want to stop eating and be like them. If anything, it's made me aware of how unhealthy it is to be that way, and I think that's a very good thing! I wouldn't have known about some of the models that have recently passed away if it wasn't for that thread.
So, I really think the thread should stick around. I don't believe in censorship at all, and I think the Weight thread can actually be very helpful for some people who may be starting to become anorexic (such as YouTube video links posted that were done by a recovered anorexic... very informative) which most likely has swayed a few people away from that direction.
how about banning comments from the entire forum, turning this into a free internet magazine, because we're completely uncapable of doing prudent comments?
i'm sorry if my suggestion came out so wrong, and i'm sad to see that you take it so far, close to ridicule.. i seriously dont think that the 'ohh my god shes so beautiful' or the 'ewww shes ugly and skinny' adds anything to the sc forums
is there anything more to comment on a model's thread?
starstyle is something else, actresses do act as 'fashion icons' as do models but only at their streetstyle sense..
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I would support the making of supporting cast an images only without comment thread. If this is about fashion then we don't need to see the "she's so beautiful" or the "she's so ugly" material. This way the no-weight policy will not encourage the development of a bias of opinion where a 14 year old will look at pictures of some models who are very thin, and only see positive comments and think that since everyone agrees they must all be right.
So my suggestion, make the supporting cast a no-comment section. Just for posting pictures. Since this site is about fashion and not personal genetics, or body shape, or physical beauty, I don't see a need to comment on the people who wear the fashion as their job. If someone wants to comment on the clothes the model is wearing, let them make those comments on a more appropriate site (like the site for the designer).
thats a more elaborate explanation of what i had in mind
it may be a different prespective on this discussion but i think we have a right in voicing our opinion even though we are not a majority
I'm against turning SC into picture only, for it'd eliminate the possibility of learning more info about the whole scene itself. Through dialogue we've been able to find out more information than any other website about the entire model industry. Although I agree that alot of the posts have not been thought out, the problem isnt so much that we're allowed to speak, but people don't want to bother thinking more about how they post.
This also goes along with the entire weight talk problem on tfs, if everyone agreed to be mature we wouldn't have needed these rules in the first place.
haha ultra, it's literally the very first post of this thread, why we banned weight comments to begin with.
Meggie ... what I wrote -again- is that if someone is able to explain the problem in TWO lines -or very very briefly- I read the whole thread and its kinda confusing -and uber loong-.
To me in order to "fix" a problem I need the root .. which is the root? concerns about the health of impressive young minds? Not flame wars because someone prefers a celeb over another one? See?
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Meggie ... what I wrote -again- is that if someone is able to explain the problem in TWO lines -or very very briefly- I read the whole thread and its kinda confusing -and uber loong-.
To me in order to "fix" a problem I need the root .. which is the root? concerns about the health of impressive young minds? Not flame wars because someone prefers a celeb over another one? See?
The situation itself is complicated and cannot be summed up in merely two lines.
But I'll give it a try:
Some posters want to talk about weight yet some posters cannot do so respectfully. To satisfy these posters' needs and still have a forum that is not filled with negative posts, a weight thread was designated to hold all weight talk. Now this weight thread is not working out.
What should tFS do? 1) Eliminate weight talk; 2) Keep weight thread but put stricter rules; 3) Open up weight talk all across the board.
Most of the posts in the topic contain either their opinion on whether the current policy is good or contain one of the 3 choices above with justification. There has also been debate on whether we really need to talk about weight and the consequences of what happens if we ignore weight.
Darn. Went over 2 lines. Though what's bolded is really the problem/root here.
i'm sorry if my suggestion came out so wrong, and i'm sad to see that you take it so far, close to ridicule.. i seriously dont think that the 'ohh my god shes so beautiful' or the 'ewww shes ugly and skinny' adds anything to the sc forums
I'm sorry I cant take it in any other way, Lena.
Struggling to elaborate on comments seems to have been an issue right from the beginning. It's not exclusively of Supporting Cast. I understand that in order to be taken remotely seriously as a fashion board we need to express ourselves in mature way [which, again, if that translates as writing essays on collections, it seems kind of ridiculous since not even the most respected people in the industry do such a thing to explain why they like what they like but anyway], while I'm not entirely up for crazy posts in the shape of smileys, I do think it's insulting to say one negative, off-topic, irrelevant and unnecessarily tempestuous comment can be put under the same category of being positively naive, child-ishly excited, and everything else. Yes, it's annoying scrolling down seeing the same words over and over but we are a community, and a very large one, repetitive and brief comments ON THE TOPIC are inevitable, we all come from different places, languages, generations and certainly operate differently when it comes to expressing ourselves, what's harmless cannot be in some way associated with those whose only purpose is stating the obvious, flame wars, disregard other people's tastes or demostrate what i consider to be hypocrital outrage out of something that, as fashion enthusiasts, we have always been aware of, we've talked about a gazillion topics, and evidently witnessed how it leads nowhere and just becomes irrelevant.
Now, Lena, I'm not sure how often you visit the SC section these days but not everyone's bubblegumming about X model's legs and bones, there are many [very young] people discussing and providing models' work in a decent manner, sometimes proper of their age but equally appreciated. it's actually the only section in this forum that gathers so much people of all ages and that's free enough to comment without being intimidated by the knowledge and often 'unbacked-up' snobbery of say, the D&C and Trendspotting areas.
As for the bad influence TFS allegedly is for young girls [and lena, this is not directed at you], I'm sorry again if my view is oversimplistic but TFS is not public television, we dont either go around recluting people to turn them into members, people have found this place because they had an interest on fashion [or at least something related to it], if TFS is a bad influence, i say the bad tendency is already within them, we cannot be taking responsability for everything we post and if vulnerable people under 18 are here, posting, digesting and misshaping the same information that can be found at the nearby newstands or/and one click away, that's under their parents' own discretion and responsability. Those who claim that it's their right to voice their concerns, I can only say that that's why the Weight Topic is there for, to talk about the endless nights you spent thinking about skinny people.
Bombarding all sections on the forum with 'skinny,skinny,skinny' is incredibly tedious and it doesnt make you look more concerned, ethical or socially aware than the others.
How about if you just delete the Mary-Kate & Ashley Olsen thread, which currently has over two million(!) views?
With that thread gone, maybe that'll drive away all of the impressionable little girls.
i know you were joking and all. But i couldnt help but add that not everyone who view the Mary-Kate and Ashley thread are impressionable little girls. Now that Mary-Kate and Ashley are 20 and their styles pretty mature i actually doubt many girls that come to that thread are 'little'.
You're not being punished, you were actually rewarded with a thread 100% focused on weight.
I deleted what I wrote for a reason, but whatever. That thread isn't a "reward". I think that ignoring the whole topic of weight is ridiculous. We don't live in some fantasy world, and as it is, there are girls out there in the fashion world DYING, DYING to be thin. How is anything every going to change if it's just swept under the rug?
Well yeah, we dont live in some fantasy world, there are many issues related to the industry, you might want to find out more about brands and their ruthless business and trade laws in underdeveloped countries, designers with political involvement, how about the amount of light-skinned models on the runway?.
seriously. this is only a fashion forum. we're not sweeping things under the rug simply because most people did not sign up to discuss the bad state of society and vent out their che guevara complex. some people, like someone said in this thread, just signed up to talk about clothes, editorials or whatever, fashion as it's understood literally.
i'd be nice if we could have a section for all that and i'm afraid we'd sail far away from what this place is about.
I don't understand why it has to be one or the other. I like looking at pretty pictures, but I also want to discuss some things beyond just "Nice dress, pretty hair". Just because some people can't handle themselves doesn't mean that everyone else should be extremely limited in what they can say.
As for the bad influence TFS allegedly is for young girls [and lena, this is not directed at you], I'm sorry again if my view is oversimplistic but TFS is not public television, we dont either go around recluting people to turn them into members, people have found this place because they had an interest on fashion [or at least something related to it], if TFS is a bad influence, i say the bad tendency is already within them, we cannot be taking responsability for everything we post and if vulnerable people under 18 are here, posting, digesting and misshaping the same information that can be found at the nearby newstands or/and one click away, that's under their parents' own discretion and responsability. Those who claim that it's their right to voice their concerns, I can only say that that's why the Weight Topic is there for, to talk about the endless nights you spent thinking about skinny people.
Bombarding all sections on the forum with 'skinny,skinny,skinny' is incredibly tedious and it doesnt make you look more concerned, ethical or socially aware than the others.
I agree wholeheartedly. Plus doesn't TFS have a minimum age restriction or did I dream that up ?
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I deleted what I wrote for a reason, but whatever. That thread isn't a "reward". I think that ignoring the whole topic of weight is ridiculous. We don't live in some fantasy world, and as it is, there are girls out there in the fashion world DYING, DYING to be thin. How is anything every going to change if it's just swept under the rug?
I don't think the weight thread has any impact on the model industry. You can stop to buy magazines if you don't like the models but discussing model weight has no impact whatsoever on the models' lives. The weight thread is there for people who want to discuss their view on this aspect of beauty but I don't think it should spread all over TFS because it's bond to get nasty. People simply don't like to be told what kind of beauty they're allowed to like or not.
As for the bad influence TFS allegedly is for young girls [and lena, this is not directed at you], I'm sorry again if my view is oversimplistic but TFS is not public television, we dont either go around recluting people to turn them into members, people have found this place because they had an interest on fashion [or at least something related to it], if TFS is a bad influence, i say the bad tendency is already within them, we cannot be taking responsability for everything we post and if vulnerable people under 18 are here, posting, digesting and misshaping the same information that can be found at the nearby newstands or/and one click away, that's under their parents' own discretion and responsability. Those who claim that it's their right to voice their concerns, I can only say that that's why the Weight Topic is there for, to talk about the endless nights you spent thinking about skinny people.
Bombarding all sections on the forum with 'skinny,skinny,skinny' is incredibly tedious and it doesnt make you look more concerned, ethical or socially aware than the others.
By that same token, then why are we not allowed to make negative comments? You can say it's respect, but it's not my job to please people and boost their self-esteem. I'm no one's babysitter either, so why should I have to censor myself to shield someone else? And it's not just regarding weight because I certainly can't say that a model's ugly without it being edited. *
*That's not necessarily my view, it's just for the sake of argument
By that same token, then why are we not allowed to make negative comments? You can say it's respect, but it's not my job to please people and boost their self-esteem. I'm no one's babysitter either, so why should I have to censor myself to shield someone else? And it's not just regarding weight because I certainly can't say that a model's ugly without it being edited. *
*That's not necessarily my view, it's just for the sake of argument
I think you can say that you think someone's ugly. I did and was never edited.
You just have to do it in a civil way. I think we all want TFS to stay a friendly place. That's why negative comments can be edited but you still can make negative comments.
The problem is with comments about physical beauty (and that include weight) more often than not it turns into 'my taste is better than yours. I have to insult this person because I don't like this kind of beauty' . People have shown repetedly that kind of behaviour. It leads nowhere.
I have adopted a 'If you don't have anything nice to say say nothing policy'. I feel like there's a wide selection of body types to see .If I don't like to see skins and bones models I don't have to see them. It doesn't affect me that people enjoy those uber skinny models. Live and let live !
Though what's bolded is really the problem/root here.
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