now that you said that, they remind me of these rick owens from the runway, even on the runway there is a fetish theme going on here, but because of the runway presentation they will most likely be categorized as avant-garde. apparently there is a fine line...you gave a great explanation to a point of view, thanks jetsetgo
those rick owens are avantgarde.. the ones in the video have been done before.
im more interested in avantgarde shoes that become acceptable to the footwear designers to create and sold in masses...
rick owens has for sure tried for a couple seasons now i still dont like them though
It's funny how people like those Rick Owens' heels, but then detest the nearly identical pairs in the video. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, just saying.
It's funny how people like those Rick Owens' heels, but then detest the nearly identical pairs in the video.
Of course, you have to be a real fashion designer to gain any sort of recognition on these forums. What category of judgement would people here otherwise use to know if they like something or not? Surely not their own taste...
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^That is so wrong. Even certain styles by the popular Louboutin is nayed by some people here, so most forum members are able to judge from there own taste.
There are also environments where YOUR taste is common, so it is definitely not more unique or independent than the other forum members'.
Dego & Seanut No one above said they liked the Rick Owen boots. They were simple called avante garde. I may not agree with Leyla's point of view, but please read carefully before rushing to judgement.
Zarina Great points, and very true.
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not as many fashion designers on this board as fashion wearers with lots of opinions and that's what makes the board rock and roll. I would love to see what tFS'ers regard as Avant garde style shoes... this is going somewhere. some desigenrs can cross over from time to time and others are deep into it for good.
as a shoe buyer I lean towards Avant garde styling, I can be in a shoe store and key in on the "weird shoes" in the back right away...but sometimes they are too "ugly" to wear even though they intrigue me...but then there is that one pair that I've been waiting for my whole life and its screaming "art, culture, fashion for you". love when that happens.
Rick Owens is avant garde based on his design theory and those boots push the envelope even further. Intriguing for sure.
Knowing Rick, I'm sure the boots are fetish-inspired, but it's hardly the same shoe and it's styled in a completely different way. Context is everything--the shoe really doesn't look, walk or quack the same way on the runway.
I guess I am contradicting jetsetgo's very eloquent point, but the difference between avant-garde and sexually deviant is determined by context, no? It's not inherent to shape of the shoe itself, I don't think.
love this thread, it's just getting more interesting all the time.
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loving this thread too
but would like to clarify that i DONT like the Rick Owens shoes at all. personal taste so not sure who you were referring to seanut
i do however find them very different to the ones in the video... that is why i said that i am intrigued by designers who are "inspired" by, in Rick's case, more fetish but translate into something more wearable (again, even if i personally do NOt like them either way)
all the models in his showrooms were literally parading around in them and i must say Rick Owens' showroom is the most alien-like altogether, so overall having the entire look does help to pull them off...
anyway, i find the Marios Schwab for SS08 (by Scorah Pattullo) fabulously avantgarde.. i wish i had a pic at hand to see what everyone else thinks. it is really mainly the heel that is quite architectural
No, Laika, you are actually not contradicting me.
I was saying something similar to what you said – that the difference between what we might see as avant-garde and what we might not, can be influenced by its context. It's a very interesting thing.
Leyla I would love to see pix if you ever come across some!
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i still dont like them though 
so not sure who you were referring to seanut 
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